Women demonstrating in Ni'lin attacked by Israeli army

Haven't seen anything like this since Selma, 1964.

The International Solidarity Movement provided this report on this demonstration by Palestinian, Israeli, and international women in the West Bank. Except that women were involved this time around, these demonstrations have been going on week after week, and Americans are largely ignorant of them, thanks to censorship by our mainstream media.

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On the 23rd of July a women's demonstration against the construction of the apartheid wall took place in Ni'lin. Girls from the local summer camp had painted placards and made two big banners saying "Women against the Apartheid wall" for the demonstration.

Palestinian women came all the way from Tulkarem and Ramallah to join the demonstration. In total around 100 Palestinian, international and Israeli women participated in the march aiming at the bulldozers working on the construction site of the apartheid wall.

When having the bulldozer in site the women were violently stopped by Israeli soldiers who used teargas, sound bombs, and physical violence. The women did not surrender but continued the chanting and tried to reach the bulldozers. The demonstrators succeeded to approach the bulldozers until being only 20 meters away. The soldiers then responded with a lot of violence, abusing more than 20 participators. Two persons were arrested, Jamal Kanaan from Ni'lin and one Canadian activist.

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All in all the demonstration was very successful, being the first big women's demonstration in Ni'lin for a long time.

When will Americans stand up for their principles and condemn actions such as these, which have been supported for years by taxpayer money and military equipment? It is hard to understand America's duplicity in our foreign relations and attitudes toward Israel.



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reminds me of Norhtern Ireland excesses (none / 0)

Why hasn't Israel learned from Great Britain's disastrous mismanagement of the Northern Ireland conflict?

The Israelis are generating a lot of negative PR, by attacking peaceful protestors, building "settlements" in East Jerusalem, building walls on Palestinian territory.  Even Bush and Condi Rice are angry with Israel for being so pusillanimous.  Even Olmert himself is trying to persuade his people to pursue more moderate and peaceful policies.

But it seems that there is an obstinate right wing coalition in Israel that is hell-bent on conquest and expansion, domination and destruction of the Palestinians, even if it causes ongoing conflict for the rest of time or causes armaggeddon itself.  The right wing in Israel seems to welcome war for all time, a permanent state of conflict with its neighbors.

General James Jones has written an excoriating critique of Israeli policies, and Prime Minister Brown has told the Israelis that all of Europe is hoping they will stop building settlements so there can be peace.

But the right wing in Israel actually applauded the assasination of Yitzhak Rabin, who was seeking to pursue peace.  They would elect Netanyahu for another term of extreme right wing leadership if they could now depose PM Ehud Olmert.


by enthusiast on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:02:44 PM EST

Re: reminds me of Norhtern Ireland excesses (none / 0)

If there is a kernel of truth to be found that explains Israel continuation of its military occupation and colonization of Palestine, it is in this post.

Thanks for this summary of Israel's problems today and its apparent knack to sway America away from its core values of equality and civil/human rights. We are obviously paying for it around the world.


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by shergald on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:12:16 PM EST
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SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

Shergald is a one dimensional character that has been kicked off numerous blogs, including dKos,  for his hate speech and even believes that the founders of Google are part of the "international zionist conspiracy."

No matter what the situation is in the middle east, shergald is just a broadcaster of his own twisted hateful ideology.

His "Haven't seen anything like this since Selma" is just BS.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:08:39 PM EST

Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (2.00 / 1)

Demwords, please feel free to criticize the content of my diaries or even me, but please stop propagating lies about my views. Thank you.


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by shergald on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:14:16 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

What are you?
The thought police.

You post crap and you get crap in return.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:20:57 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

you made the accusation and tossed in dkos (as if being kicked off that hate site was a bad thing) and so far have not backed them up. you have just tossed insults


by zerosumgame on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:14:06 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

I would say dKos can be rude and rough and tumble...but a "hate site?" I think not.

I suggest that you google "shergald" and "cabal" and see what you find.

shergald purposely stirs up crap and doesn't hang around to engage in what he calls "flame wars."

This guy is exposed all over the net.
He even like to play provocateur at whacko anti-moslem sites like Little Green Footballs.

This guy is a pro and in no way a member of the progressive community. He is a fraud and should not be taken seriously.

Don't take my word for it. Google him, or use any search engine you want. Shergald is a fraud.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:33:08 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (2.00 / 2)

shergald purposely stirs up crap and doesn't hang around to engage in what he calls "flame wars."

...says the guy who drops by shergald's diary to do nothing but stir up crap.  From what I've seen, he's the more civilized of the two of you.
I am not a crook!
by username on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:16:23 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

I agree that shergald sounds the same note over and over, so I almost never read his diaries.  But where are the hate speech and "twisted hateful ideology" in this entry?


I am not a crook!
by username on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:54:59 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

I urge you to search the web and check out his affiliations.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/05/16 daily-kos-quote-iof-you-are-peace-maker -quote-palestinian-you-are-a-terrorist

including this lovely political cartoon

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/06/26 google-bow-to-zionists


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:03:37 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

First, I was talking about this particular entry, not shergald's "affiliations."  Second, if that second cartoon offends you, you need to grow a thicker skin (the first is borderline, but I'd accept it as free speech).  There are plenty of real anti-semites (and racists) in the world, but you can't deny that both accusations are overused and misapplied.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:13:01 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

Shergald's affiliations are relevant. He is not a progressive commentator. He is a disinformation agent, whether for pay or freelance.

Anti-semite isn't even a relevant term anymore.
These people can say they don't hate Jews only "Zionists."
Yeah right.

Zionism is not racism, it is about self-determination for Jewish people who were not welcome in Europe ( to say the least) or in the the Arab countries.

Currently the arab versus arab factional violence in Gaza is killing more people and doing more damage than Israelis are doing to Palestinians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/world/ middleeast/27mideast.html

But shergald seems to unconcerned about this...or the Moslem Arab slaughter of black africans in Darfur.

Jews...er I mean Zionist are the source of all evil for shergald.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:49:05 PM EST
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I really shouldn't... (none / 0)

...get into this, since these kinds of discussions never get anywhere, especially online.  But I'll make two brief points.  First, Zionism is nationalism, which can be destructive in so many ways (e.g. Bosnia, Darfur, Northern Ireland, "manifest destiny," our own Indian reservations).  To me, less nationalism in the world is always a good thing.

Second, there are a lot of parallels between Israel/Palestine and Britain/Northern Ireland a couple decades ago, and that didn't work out so well for anyone involved.  I'm pretty sure I could criticize Britain without being labeled anti-Saxon, but it's quite a bit trickier criticizing Israel without being labeled anti-Semite.

But this whole thing is just so fundamentally fucking stupid that with every post, I regret more and more having clicked on this diary.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:03:21 PM EST
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You bring up a very interesting paradox... (2.00 / 1)

...it is the balance between "self-determination" for a people and nationalism. This may be the ultimate question going forward as large nation-states divide back into their ethnic component states. The Bosnians, Kosovians and Irish would certainly argue that nationalism on a more localized level is better than being dominated by another uber-nation.

No matter what, we wind up with nations. Personally I believe smaller nations that represent people closer to home and with some cultural commonality are a better solution. I'm sure that people in the Baltic regions, the Balkans, the Czech and the Slovaks would are fond of their nationhood.


John McCain: Country Club First!
by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
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Thanks for helping civilize this discussion. (2.00 / 1)

That said, I completely disagree.  To me, one thing that made America work was that (after wiping out all the Indians) we started with clean land only 200 years ago, land that was no one's "homeland."  As the Irish, Italians, etc. arrived, they were initially greeted by racism, but they mixed with the earlier settlers and lost their identity.  No one could say "this is my ancestral land," because everyone was an immigrant.

I agree that smaller communities that represent local interests are the only hope for democracy (how many people actually know their Congressmen?), but we need larger nations that represent our common humanity.  Basically, the only solution is more sex between more different people.  And who every thought more sex was a bad thing?


I am not a crook!
by username on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:56:58 PM EST
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Re: Thanks for helping civilize this discussion. (none / 0)

The ethnic diversity of the US is our greatest strength.
However, that didn't preclude us from establishing cultures based on our new regionality, some of which was infused by specific groups of immigrants settling in those regions. The character of Minnesota (Scando) is completely different than Texas ( Latino and German) and Boston ( WASP, Irish & Italian)

So we have once again local "nationalities." Our commons is also our strength, though the political divide between Red and Blue states doesn't not seem to agree on what should be included in that commons.

...and your solution is right on. More sex solves everything.


John McCain: Country Club First!
by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

There isn't any hate speech or propaganda. My role has never been as a writer or analyst but rather as a publisher of news reports and analysis of the IP situation by others.

That seems to be very problematic with right wing Zionists who seem to be stationed here and there to attempt to undermine these news reports, which as far as I can tell are factual. Take this report: as far as I can tell everything reported is factual and really happened.

If it does not place Israel in a positive light, well, I don't have a light. The reader will have to make his own conclusion. Demwords seems to be going bonkers over the mere publication of this material, which he seems incapable of critiquing. The resort to attacking then the diarist is an old tactic to divert attention. Seldom works.


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by shergald on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:23:10 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

You are a whiner too.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:21:35 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

Very funny. You've now been labelled a "right wing Zionist" because you disagree with the diarist. But he's an innocent "publisher of news reports".

You are of course totally right calling him on his hypocrisy, but I long ago quit giving this diarist the attention he so desperately craves.


by LakersFan on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 01:53:00 PM EST
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Re: SHErgald IS A FRAUD (none / 0)

You actually responded to demwords. He's the most inexperienced messenger slayer I have come across on the internet.

Please continue with your ig-norance of these diaries. It is appreciated.


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by shergald on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 04:06:26 PM EST
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I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

I used to admire Israel, back in the days of Golda Meir and moderate visionary leaders like Rabin.

Even the idea of the wall or fence itself wasn't so bad - the problem was that they built the wall not on the actual border, but all too often on palestinian lands.

I can understand why Israel feels threatened, because the arabs have often acted foolishly and in a self-defeating way, with their suicide bombings, rocket attacks, etc.

But a more thoughtful and mature policy, emphasizing mutual respect rather than "eye for an eye" reprisals, would have preserved Israel's national integrity in the world community while also preserving its existence.  They could have built a wall, but also tried to foster economic development on the west bank, not building settlements, but focusing on developing the nation of Israel itself.

I don't understand why Israel has acted in such a rash and excessive manner, killing civilians, and doing everything it could to deprive the Palestinians of a way to live and thrive alongside them.

I do understand that Israel has had to defend its own territory, but they could have done it in a way that didn't cause a never-ending cycle of violence.

I would say that the wall should have been built about 40 or 50 years ago, but it should have been built right on the border, and it should have been done in a way that didn't stir violence.  Just separate societies on each side of the wall, and it could have been peaceful by now if it had been handled correctly.

I share Olmert's concern that eventually, Israel must make peace, must separate itself from an independent Palestinian state, for its own survival, because the palestinian population is growing so rapidly, and the Israelis will be outnumbered in their own lands.  


by enthusiast on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:44:49 PM EST

Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

"understand why Israel feels threatened, because the arabs have often acted foolishly and in a self-defeating way, with their suicide bombings, rocket attacks, etc."

The arabs you refer to are the Palestinians. There is a racist tendency to group arabs together as if the entire Arab world were implicated in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, when only Palestinian rights are in question.

As to the suicide bombings, most people don't really know what motivated them, and your remark about "an eye for an eye" is well voiced. But it was the Israelis that actually instigated them by killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians including children. See below.


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by shergald on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:13:19 PM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (2.00 / 1)

The arab world is guilty of making the Palestinian situation worse, but not welcoming refugees and settling them, but rather keeping them in horrible camps. They won't help them except to buy them guns and bombs to fuel the fantasy that they are going to return.

The Palestinians are used as pawns by the larger arab world.
They perpetuate the injustice and dismal plight of the Palestinian people.


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by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:56:37 PM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (2.00 / 1)

The entire Arab world is implicated in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Between Jordan providing refuge for the PLO during it's infancy and the PLO's subsequent attempted coup, to Syrian funding of Hezballah and Hamas.

You have stated in other posts that in your opinion, Jews had no right to any land from the Mandate of Palestine, which is not so much different then the old hard line view of the PLO during the 70's and 80's.

What fate would have befallen the Jews in Palestine had they been forced to live in yet another country where they are a minority? In a country whose leaders during WWII actively supported the Nazi's, some of them even touring Germany with leaders of the Third Reich.

I don't know if you are anti-semitic or not, only you know that, but the idea that Israel had no right to exist, that anything that Palestinians do to Israelis is justified and anyone who would dare question these opinions is either a racist or too dumb to understand the nuance shows a lack of knowledge of the beginning of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a contempt for admitting that in this particular case, the tragedy is that two people who for centuries have gotten shafted by everyone they have come into contact with, have been committing horrible acts against each other, not all one way.


by JENKINS on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 05:36:29 AM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

You are either misrepresenting what I stated here or in the past or creating a basis upon which to plant the latest Israeli hasbara (propaganda) theme about "right to exist," while it merrily continues its occupation and colonization of Palestinian land.

You also have introduced the notion that advocacy for Palestinian civil and human rights is anti-Semitic. Further, your notion that both sides are equally at fault, when every day news about events in the West Bank that occur secondary to the military occupation and colonization of more Palestinian land makes clear the source of this continuing conflict.

The latest attempt, by Bush, to stop the military occupation that started in 1967, and create a soevereign contiguous Palestinian state was just thrown aside by the Israelis. In all of your remarks here and on other diaries, you have never once condemned Israel's occupation/colonization activity.

So let me ask: do you support the stances and work of the left wing organization, Jewish Voice for Peace?


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by shergald on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:00:50 AM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

Israel's right to exist is a propaganda theme? Do I really have to list the litany of Arab leaders (including Palestinians) that have literally called for it to be destroyed? I noticed that you mentioned nothing about the Palestinian leaders of the 40's who constantly expressed their desire to "drive the Jews into the sea."

Also, if I have said that advocacy of the Palestinian cause and their civil rights is Anti-Semitic, please provide the link to where I said such a thing. Otherwise you are doing nothing but putting words in my mouth and setting up straw man arguements, which is something you seem good at doing.

You said in the thread about Intel being complicit in oppressing the Palestinians, involving the UN resolution which is the basis for the founding of Israel, i.e. the two nation solution, that since Jews only 'owned' 9% percent of the land, the only 'fair' solution would be the one in which the entirety of the Mandate of Palestine was one nation, which the Jews as the minority, which would be that Israel has no right to be in existence. Do you deny saying this?

You also fail to mention Yasir Arafat's self-serving destruction of the Oslo accords, in which Israel all but set up the framework for the two nation idea. But of course, if Arafat had lossed the Israeli boogyman and Palestinians actually started to wonder what happened to all the foreign aid that PLA/Fatah recieved, he might have had bigger problems to worry about.

I am not asking to accept Zionism, whatever that means so to say that men like Begin and Sharon were good guys, all I'm pointing out is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the creation of both sides and to deny that is to be put yourself in the camps of the extremists on both sides, whether they be the Irgun or Hamas.

To answer your final question, I am not familar with their work, so I cannot answer that.


by JENKINS on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 02:20:37 PM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

Get familiar with Jewish Voice for Peace. They represent the left wing view that is absent in the Israel mainstream.

Arab leaders at the time, looking at what the Zionists and then Israel did to the Palestinians, actually went to far as to say, 'Israel must be exterminated.' That was a Saudi Arabian leader whose name now is beyond me looking at the ethnic cleansing that transpired between April and June, 1948. If you really believe that the ethnic cleansing was deserved so that Jews in Israel would not be a minority, excuse me for saying it: but you are a supporter of ethnic cleansing and all of the other nasty things that are associated with it, like the murder of over 10,000 Palestinian civilians that it entailed. In spite of 194 passed only six months later when the world found out what happened, you might not like to know that 3-5,000 additional Palestinian civilians were killed between 1948 and 1967, when they attempted to return via 194 to their homes and lands in villages and towns now in Israel (Jeff Halper's quotation).

And now the Israelis want to bring Judea and Samaria (no one talks about the West Bank in Israel) into the fold of a greater Israel by kicking out even more Palestinians.

And yes Israel's right to exist is a propaganda theme. If you have accepted it, then I am sorry for you. But it is all commingled with the Iranian nuclear activity and Iran's intention to obliterate Israel. You just can't believe the hysterical nature of Israeli propaganda of late.

I don't have the time right to continue responding to you, but may I suggest that next time you respond to the diary. I am willing to bet you can't even remember what it was all about. Messenger slayers have that propensity to forget where they are. I hope that you are not just one them.  


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by shergald on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:07 PM EST
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Re: I remember admiring Israel...once.... (none / 0)

The reality is sometimes quite different from propaganda intended to distort it.

Off The Charts: Media Bias and Censorship in America.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid= -5600677940569035557&q=Alternate+Foc us

Like most Americans, Alison Weir, the editor of a small-town newspaper in California, knew very little about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, other than what she had gleaned from the evening news or newspaper headlines. As a journalist, her attention was on issues much closer to home. Neither a muslim nor a jew, she nevertheless became more curious about the topic of the Palestinian uprising. And as she researched it, she became increasingly suspicious that the American media were not telling us the whole story. Months later, she traveled to the occupied territories as an independent journalist to find out for herself what the U.S. media seemed to be omitting. Three months after returning from Palestine, Alison Weir quit her job and founded If Americans Knew, an organization dedicated to quantifying the ways in which the American media was misinforming the public about the conflict. Ms. Weir explains her group's methodology, analyzes the data, and reports on the key findings.

If Americans Knew can be linked to here:  http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/sid es.html

The first suicide bombing in the second intifadah was on Dec. 22 (no Israelis died in it). By that time, 86 Palestinian children had been killed by Israelis http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/rem ember2000.html

The first Israeli child was killed on Jan. 17, 2001. http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/rem ember2001.html

By that time, at least 90 Palestinian children had been killed by Israelis.

Alison Weir, in her documentary Off the Charts, noted the following:

Before a single suicide bomber had entered Israel after the start of the Second Intifada, sometimes called, after Sharon's provocative visit to the Temple Mount, the al Aqsa Intifada, during its first month, 27 Palestinian children had been killed by Israeli Defense Forces in the West Bank and Gaza, the youngest only four months of age, and the majority due to gunshots to the head. Numerous children were also wounded. In the first three months alone, 159 children lost an eye presumably to rubber bullets shot from IDF rifles. Clearly the IDF were intentionally targeting these children, aiming at their heads with either rubber bullets or real bullets in the case of the child kills. We are talking here about a trained, mechanized army versus civilians, children participating in the intifada, the nonviolent resistance instituted by child and teenage Palestinian boys and girls. Oh, yes. Let's be fair. We did hear that an Israeli soldier lost his eye from a rock thrown by a Palestinian boy from a pretty IDF spokeswoman, but it was the only such incident reported in three years.

In addition to these children, many more innocent adult civilians were killed, in the month before suicide bombings commenced. If terrorism is the intentional killing of civilians, then clearly, Israel's armed forces were deep into terrorism, state sponsored terrorism, long before the Palestinians engaged in it to any degree. As a people fighting a military occupation, it would seem that the ultimate cause of all of these horrors on both sides rests with Israel and the purpose for which it continued its long occupation, the stealing of Palestinian lands.  

See Alison Weir's short documentary, Off The Charts: Media Bias and Censorship in America for the names, ages, places, and dates of these child killings.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid= -5600677940569035557&q=Alternate+Foc us

To be accurate, there were sporadic bombing incidents engineered by Hamas extremists in Israel during the Oslo period. None at all occurred between 1998 and 2000. But the strong resumption of attacks after 2000, over fifty in the first year, was directly related to civilian and child killings by IDF, and it was not just Hamas, but Islamic Jihad and other Fatah associated organizations that were involved.

This Time.com article apprises of what motivated Palestinian suicide bombers at this particular moment:

Why Suicide Bombing Is Now All The Rage.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl e/0,9171,1101020415-227546,00.html

"Until recently most Palestinians believed they had alternatives to the kind of militancy practiced by Hamas. For years after the 1993 Oslo peace accord, which brought limited self-rule to the Palestinians and the prospect of an independent state, polls showed a strong majority of Palestinians supporting the peace process with Israel and only a minority endorsing suicide bombings. Thus, in their headhunting, the fundamentalists were limited to stalwart followers of their doctrine, which holds that any kind of peace with Israel is anathema. Even then, Hamas and Islamic Jihad had to cajole--some might say brainwash--young men into believing that the rewards of paradise outweighed the prospects of life on earth.

But with the breakdown of the peace process in the summer of 2000 and the start of the latest intifadeh that September, the martyr wannabes started coming to Hamas--and they didn't require persuading. "We don't need to make a big effort, as we used to do in the past," Abdel Aziz Rantisi, one of Hamas' senior leaders, told TIME last week. The TV news does that work for them. "When you see the funerals, the killing of Palestinian civilians, the feelings inside the Palestinians become very strong," he explained."

From the mouth of Rantisi, but it also motivated Fatah supporters, to exact revenge for the killing of Palestinian civilians. Revenge is not a formal use of terrorism. See Alison Weir's film, Off The Charts, at Google Video.

This commentary is from an article by Rami Khouri, editor of the Beirut newspaper, The Daily Star, which cynically denounced Olmert's statements professing concern for the well-being of Palestinian children:

(Ehud Olmert's Profound Ethics and Deep Lies.
http://www.ramikhouri.com/)

"For anyone interested in the facts about the impact of Israeli policies on Palestinian children, a good place to start is the carefully checked data disseminated by the Palestinian Nongovernmental Organization Network (www.palestinemonitor.org). Their data is compiled and verified on the ground by the Ramallah-based Health Development Information and Policy Institute, which has been honored by the World Health Organization for its work in promoting Palestinian health needs. So these people know what they are talking about when it comes to health conditions on the ground in Israeli-occupied Palestine. Some of the facts they provide are as follows.

In just the first two years of the second intifada, from September 2000 to November 2002:

* 383 Palestinian children (under the age of 18) were killed by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers, i.e. almost 19% of the total Palestinians killed; those figures have increased since then.

* Approximately 36% of total Palestinians injured (estimated at more than 41,000) are children; 86 of these children were under the age of ten; 21 infants under the age of 12 months have been killed.

* 245 Palestinian students and school children have been killed; 2,610 pupils have been wounded on their way to or from school.

* The Israeli policy of widespread closure has paralyzed the Palestinian health system, with children particularly vulnerable to this policy of collective punishment. Internal closures have severely disrupted health plans which affect over 500,000 children, including vaccination programs, dental examinations and early diagnosis for children when starting schools.

* During the first two months of the intifada, the rate of upper respiratory infections in children increased from 20% to 40%. Almost 60% of children in Gaza suffer parasitic infections.

* An overwhelming number of Palestinian children show symptoms of trauma such as sleep disorders, nervousness, decrease in appetite and weight, feelings of hopelessness and frustration, and abnormal thoughts of death.

* There have been 36 cases of Palestinian women in labor delayed at checkpoints and refused permission to reach medical facilities or for ambulances to reach them. At least 14 of these women gave birth at the checkpoint with eight of the births resulting in the death of the newborn infants.

The Israeli army killing of Palestinian children continues apace. In its annual report May 16, the respected global human rights organization Amnesty International accused the Israeli army of killing 190 Palestinians, including 50 children, last year (2005)."

Here is some commentary from Jonathan Cook on a grandmother suicide bomber:

"If one thing offers a terrifying glimpse of where the experiment in human despair that is Gaza under Israeli siege is leading, it is the news that a Palestinian woman in her sixties -- a grandmother -- chose last week to strap on a suicide belt and explode herself next to a group of Israeli soldiers invading her refugee camp.

Despite the "Man bites dog" news value of the story, most of the Israeli media played down the incident. Not surprisingly -- it is difficult to portray Fatma al-Najar as a crazed fanatic bent only the destruction of Israel.

Eye for an eye is a good way to characterize the Palestinian response to Israeli murders of children below any suicide bombing occurred. Rantisi's statements give credence to the idea that the suicide bombings were a response to Israeli killings of innocent Palestinians.

The notion that they were terrorist bombings is part of a propaganda effort by Israel to cash in on 9/11 and characterize Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim. The data do not support such a characterization. If killing of innocent civilians is terrorism, then Israel was certainly the first terrorist on the scene in this conflict (and that might go back to 1948).

Most right wing Zionist do not like the publication of these facts. During the second Intifada, five times as many innocent Palestinians died as innocent Israelis. Since 2004, the ratio has been 13 to 1.


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by shergald on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:25:45 PM EST
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Re: Women demonstrating in Ni'lin attacked by Isra (1.50 / 2)

These facts support the idea that the Intifada was a huge mistake. It has brought nothing to the Palestinian people but death and destruction. It a huge failure of Palestinian leadership. They could have been on the way to being a nation but Arafat and his mafiosa-like Fatah clique weren't interested in helping his people...
...and all those Swiss bank accounts with money from the Gulf emirs. Yassir and his pals lived well at the expense of his people. His legacy lives on as death and destruction.
John McCain: Country Club First!
by demwords on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:41:13 PM EST

Re: Women demonstrating in Ni'lin attacked by Isra (none / 0)

When people attend funerals of children shot in the head by Israeli military forces, time and again, they become angry, or as Rantisi, the Hamas bomber recruiter, said, "emotional," meaning that an increased number of people were willing to take their own lives in retaliation. That even included a 16 year old female high school who managed to kill a 16 year old Israeli high school student, a story which made Time magazine at the time.

Nothing helped Sharon's effort to bury Oslo and continue the colonization of the West Bank than the revengeful suicide bombers of the second Intifada. Not that it made any difference because the IDF under Sharon urgings killed five times as many Palestinian civilians including children. I could post the data as I have done many times before, but this diary is near its end, so let's not waste space.

However, from the looks of it you support the IDF occupation forces against these nonviolent women, isn't that right? As far as I can tell, that is all you have been saying now for the past two weeks. Really feeling sorry for you.


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by shergald on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 04:31:54 PM EST
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